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Reviewer: MollyandArthur Signed Date: 2015.12.27 - 05:50PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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Harry and Ginny going to the Ball together, a great event! I am glad that Hermione is trying to make amends.

Author's Response: Can I at this point say just how pleased I am at the casting of Hermione in the Harry Potter play? Great choice!



Reviewer: riegert8 Signed Date: 2014.06.20 - 05:54PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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My opinion I thought that Harry did not do good in school, that he did not want to do better then Hermione. Harry knew that Hermione want to be the top student, some times a person that no friends. When then get a couple friends he will do anything to keep them, even if mean that he have to give something up. Like better grades

Author's Response: That's quite possible, and Harry was forced to deliberately get bad grades in Muggle school so as not to show up Dudley. Ginny, however, will not stand for that sort of thing and, I suspect, is a far better teacher than impatient Hermione will ever be.



Reviewer: RoseSpell Signed Date: 2013.09.08 - 06:40PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

I am really liking this story. The only problem I'm having is Hermione… she just seems kinda all over the place, her character is not making sense to me. But overall wonderful flow so far and I can't wait for the next chapter!!

Author's Response: Okay, I though Hermione and Ginny's conversation in the library clarified Hermione's motivations, but in a nutshell: Hermione hates when Harry and Ron argue. She doesn't believe that Harry did put his name in Goblet but see's how convinced Ron is. Deciding that if she remained close to Harry, Ron would take this as a person insult, she remains close friends with Ron while trying to convince him to apologise. She nearly succeeds after the first task but (unlike canon) Ron sees Harry and his sister together and gets angry again. Hermione eventually realises she's fighting a losing battle and when Ron starts having a go at Hermione for going to the ball with Krum, it's the last straw and she turns her back on him. Her subsequent conversation with Harry and Ginny makes her realise the damage her actions had caused and 'this' version of Harry isn't as forgiving as in canon and lets her know what he thinks of her actions.



Reviewer: HG Forever9696 Signed Date: 2013.09.08 - 03:20AM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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wow a translation spell that's new for sure but shouldn't that work on human languages only i mean you can understand every creature that way. oh well what other thing nothing major in this chapter not counting hermione fiasco oh and Neville I feel sorry for him you have made that guy absolutely OOC. that poor guy

Author's Response: I don't see why a magical translation spell shouldn't work on magical being as well. Bit racist thing it should only work on humans, isn't it? ;-) Personally, I don't think I'm actually taking too many liberties with Neville. Just think what he was like at this point in the books; weak, timid and easily up-set. it took Dumbledore's Army to knock some back-bone into him. He never really seems to have a friend in the books, either, and just hangs around the edges of groups. If Ron offers to befriend him I think he'd jump at the chance, even if it meant sharing in Ron's pratishness. I'll address this issue a bit in my next author's notes.



Reviewer: Mistress of Potions Signed Date: 2013.09.07 - 11:52PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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SLIGHTLY manipulative Ginny? Hmm, you have a gift for understatement. As for Hermione, I've always thought someone needed to tell her to stfu. Arrogant book-regurgitator, she woldn't know an original idea if it bit her in a most personal place.

Author's Response: To be honest, Ginny's attitude will change a bit throughout the story and she'll find that she's not quite as clever as she though she was. If I'm being 100% honest, I would admit that I think Hermione gets misrepresented a bit in fan fiction. We have the image of her being this bossy, book-obsessed, know-it-all who would never break a rule and blindly respects authority. The trouble is, an awful lot of that is down to how she's represented in fan fiction. If you re-read the books, Hermione is as quick to break rules as the boys and generally just wants to believe the best of people. That said, I like the fan fiction image of her and will continue to portray her like that. I don't know how I look myself in the mirror at times...



Reviewer: alterdream Signed Date: 2013.09.07 - 10:54PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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Another great chapter! You were right though, there's always one:

"The guilty expression on Hermione’s face told Ginny that the girl had thought Harry and she had been sneaking off to do other things other than training."

Now I can't wait for an extra dose of Ron bashing in the next chapter ;-)

Author's Response: That Hermione's got a right dirty mind, I can tell you.



Reviewer: potternut190 Signed Date: 2013.09.07 - 01:55PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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Great!

Author's Response: Thanks!



Reviewer: carolyn jinn Signed Date: 2013.09.07 - 01:00AM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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Loved the update.
I am glad that Ginny is starting to open Harry's thinking about the things that Dumbledore does to try to manipulate Harry. Most of the things are so clear, even a blind dragon could see them.
Looking forward to the next chapter.

Author's Response: I have a long held theory that the books were as much about the redemption of Dumbledore as they were about Harry. I see Albus as a rather manipulative person in the early books, but the end of GoF, when he learns that Voldemort took Harry's blood and he realises that Harry might have a chance of survival, as a turning point. At the end, we see a happy Dumbledore, content in the afterlife, knowing that he has redeemed himself by his own sacrifice. This story won't be a major Dumbledore-basher like 'Butterfly Effect' was however and I'll probably show Albus as a well-meaning bumbler here. I never like doing the same thing twice!



Reviewer: LeprechaunJV Signed Date: 2013.09.07 - 12:11AM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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Reviewer: Trucker Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 10:39PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

I hope that by the end of this story you'll have Ron confronted with evidence that Harry and Ginny have been right which even he cannot ignore. I don't expect Harry to welcome him back as JKR had him do (yes, teenage boys can be thick about emotions, motives, and skulduggery, but they can forgive each other things that no self-respecting girl ever would). I'm just saying that there's a difference between Ron being an idiot at this age and his never changing no matter what happens down the road.

Author's Response: I can't give away the plot now, can I? I will say that I do intend to do this differently to JKR and that the feud is likely to spill over into the sequel, which I hope to start writing soon.



Reviewer: seekers_destiny Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 08:26PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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First, some old business. You missed my point in my previous review but it is my fault. I wrote "A third year student conjured up a large teddy bear?" but I should have written "A third year student trying to appear to be an ordinary student conjured up a large teddy bear?". After taking pains not to appear too advanced to Harry, my point is that she screwed up right in front of Harry. On the other hand, he isn't as observant as Hermione and she has gotten away with it - at least so far. There is one thing I agree with you entirely on though: Teddies are not really 'Dark Lord-ish'.


I have a question about this: "loads of really pretty girls gagging to go with you". Is that a British expression? Gagging isn't a very pleasant image for that sort of sentence. I really liked what Ginny had to say about Dumbledore, I asked most of those questions myself. I also liked that Hermione finally tried to reconnect with Harry. I was a little surprised at how she'd treated Ginny so the apology was necessary. However, Ginny was perhaps a bit too frank with Hermione in that prior discussion. Hermione is observant enough to notice manipulation but she'll probably see it as beneficial.

errata:
All it would take is for Ron to get angry and his then his brain shuts down
All it would take is for Ron to get angry and then his brain shuts down

she whisperer to him
she whispered to him

Professor called out.
Professor McGonagall(?) called out.

Author's Response: Ah, I see your point, and all I will say is maybe he did notice. Yes, 'gagging to go with you' is indeed a British expression and can be translated to mean 'they would do anything to go with you', hence the rather unpleasant imagery. Hermione does have a bit of a temper on her, so used the opportunity of her talk with Ginny to vent her frustrations a bit. She also has a strong conscience and would have definitely felt the need to apologise I suspect. Corrections noted.



Reviewer: mjc Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 05:06PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

There's Ron bashing...and then there's Ron bashing.

If you don't have siblings, you'll never know the excruciating, detailed, in depth 'bashing' that one can do...especially when angered about something you have done (no, my sisters would never...who am I kidding, right?). This is the perfect balance of Ron slowly cooking his own goose and genuine sibling 'bashing'. Oh, yeah little sisters are, by nature, born experts at this...even if they are just one year younger.

More to come later...like in a couple of chapters.

Author's Response: At this point things with Ron haven't got that serious. As you say, most siblings will have pretty bad bust-ups at one time or another. Unfortunately, with the Tournament going on, this will be a high pressure environment and things have the potential to spiral out of control. Things are only just starting to kick off.



Reviewer: skiutahnum1 Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 03:08PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

I am so glad to see that Ginny is staying with the plan and that she is now working on getting Harry more world
Y in other things as well....also glad to see Ron is still out but think it will be soon that Ron will either lose it all or just wake up but not tonight I guess.. As for Neville it's his own fault for not trying out Luna and see what Ginny and Harry see in her....oh well....kutgw

Author's Response: I should mention that Neville probably hasn't even met Luna at this point: he's just repeating slander that he's hear from other people. He's far to timid to form his own opinions and stand by his own convictions. It took the D.A. to put a bit of backbone into him.



Reviewer: parakletos Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 02:59PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

A new chapter so quickly was an unexpected treat. :)


Author's Response: I don't hang around once I've got going, you know. The story is, after all, completely written and just needs beta-ing.



Reviewer: Aurorofthelight Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 02:22PM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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Another brilliant chapter O glorious one! Interesting how you twisted the Patil angle around but I like him going with Ginny much better......should've been that way in the first place! Hermoine sure got put in her place by our super couple! Never have been sure why Hermoine went to the dance with Krum....he's about as interesting as a rutabega! As always, can't wait for the next one! P.S. who did Luna end up going with?

Author's Response: Luna didn't go: remember that bit about boys being infested with strange invisible bugs and how she would be at risk of being infested by them if she had to dance with anyone? I'm not sure what Hermione saw in Krum either. Maybe he's one of those smouldering, intense types that intrigued her?



Reviewer: Dad Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 11:58AM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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I am liking this story more and more and it is interesting how many characters you make less than perfect. But I find it difficult to see Neville being anything but gentle.

Author's Response: I don't know, Neville wasn't very gentle with the Death Eaters in DH. The thing about Neville is that within canon he is almost unique. All the other characters are basically the same at the start of the books as they are at the end. Neville, however, is a completely different person by the end. Compare the Remembrall-losing, broom crashing loser of the first book to the snake-killing, Voldemort-defying hero of 'Deathly Hallows'. No one else changes anything like as much as him. But at this point in the story he's still the chubby little wimp. In this story, Neville isn't going to become an evil bully or anything, he's simply going to be befriended by Ron (now that he's alienated Harry and Hermione) and latch onto him. So when Ron's being an arsehole, Neville is going to be at his shoulder, basking in the reflected pratishness. Lets face it, in these type of stories nearly everyone has Neville taking Ron's place as Harry's best (male) friend. I decided to do it differently and have Ron and Neville bond. I must at least get a few points for originality!



Reviewer: potterfan2008 Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 11:04AM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

Oh, somehow in my other two reviews of this chapter I forgot to mention something. It doesn't make sense that he automatically jumps to the conclusion that the egg clue means Ginny is going to the bottom of the lake. Maybe a sentence of two where they figure it out and realize there are merpeople in the lake.

I agree with most of Ginny's rant against Dumbledore. However, he's not a Parselmouth and he didn't know that there was a giant snake roaming the school. While Lockhart was a fraud, the events he recounts are supposed to be real. That was the deal - he learned their stories and memory charmed them so they wouldn't realize he was taking credit for something they did. I agree that Dumbledore should have known Lockhart was a fake, but a look at his books wouldn't tell you that. Talking to him for any length of time should do that however. Again as Dumbledore isn't a Parselmouth he wouldn't be able to open the Chamber.

I completely agree with the stupidity in allowing a 13 or 14 year old girl access to a time turner so she can kill herself taking way too many classes. I mean whose brilliant idea was that? She should have been counseled as to which classes would benefit her the most not allowed to take all of classes available. Certainly Hermione wasn't the first overachiever who wanted to take all the classes available, that should never have been allowed.




Author's Response: Yes, I think I screwed up a bit with the egg thing. I might have to go back and stick a couple of extra lines in or something. Not so sure I agree with the rest. While not a parselmouth, Dumbledore is meant to be a very knowledgeable wizard. Once pupils started turning up petrified, surely he would have figured out a basilisk is responsible, especially with Salazar Slytherin's affinity with snakes. Hermione figured it out, after all. Perhaps Albus couldn't actually venture into the chamber himself, but he could have closed the school and sent the pupils home to ensure there safety. Most schools send their pupils home if there is a bit of snow on the roof, after all! As for Lockhart, did he actually have any teaching credentials? Did the Headmaster of the 'finest magical school in Europe' really employ a man on the strength of a few books without testing his abilities in any way? Even if he took Lockhart in on good faith, why was he left to continue teaching rubbish even after it became obvious he could barely cast a spell right? Tests asking about his favourite colour and ideal birthday present? Was that really on the curriculum? Aren't the teachers evaluated at all? Jut what sort of screwy school is this place, anyway??? Sorry, bit of a rant there. Actually, I might have to work that idea into a story: Dumbledore doing end of term evaluations of his staff. Snape's would be fun to write!



Reviewer: BraverLeonheart Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 10:51AM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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This story is progressing rather quickly. I love the pace, because it means I'm not re-reading most of GOF to get your new information. (Some rewrites might as well be JKs books). How far are you going with this? Until Voldy's defeat, or do you have a stopping point?

No picking on you this time, I didn't see anything. Maybe I'm having a bad day.

Author's Response: I'm in total agreement with you. I hate rewrites that just copy huge chunks of the books. I understand the need to get from one event to another, but a writer should be trying to make the story their own. If I want to read GoF again, I'll just go and get my copy of the book. This story just follows events of GoF, and will finish at the end of term. It's only 10 chapters, but they are quite long (the last one is 10k+ words). I currently plan to do another couple of sequels to this; I know there are three more books, but with Ginny in charge they're bound to polish off Voldemort a bit faster than in canon, right?



Reviewer: mdauben Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 10:16AM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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I think this may be my favorite chapter yet! While we still have Ginny's cunning plan, it seems Harry is starting to do more than just react to her prompting. I liked Ginny's defence of Harry to Hermione, too. One minor point that kind of stuck out for me, however. After translating the egg clue, Harry started worrying right away about Ginny being taken underwater. Now, wIthout the clue of putting the egg in the water to understand it, or the picture of the mermaid prompting to cause him to question Myrtle about the lake, how did he immediatly jump from "We cannot sing above the ground" to being sure the task was taking place underwater? Other than that, great chapter and I'll be looking forward to seeing what happens at the Ball!

Author's Response: You'll find the relationship between Harry and Ginny changes and develops as the story progresses. As much as Ginny thinks she's in the driving seat at the start, she will soon find events moving beyond her control and finding herself reliant on Harry. I'm getting a few comments about the egg clue; I think in my desire to skip over most of the canon events I cut a corner there. Oh well, just assume the Translation Spell told them what language it was being spoken.



Reviewer: potterfan2008 Signed Date: 2013.09.06 - 10:15AM Title: Chapter 4 – The Awkward Truth

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Again, I love this chapter! Harry and Ginny are becoming good friends which is always a great start for a relationship. I really like how Harry just presents this as 'let me thank you by taking you to the dance and buying your robes' just very simple, not making a big deal over things.
Just for you, my oh so mature friend, I will say - Neville is a weeny! I can see Ron and Neville whining and blaming everyone else for their lack of dates. I imagine neither of them will be bothered to dance with their dates. Ron is such an idiot - I really don't see what Hermione sees in him.
Can't wait to see the next chapter!!

Author's Response: Snigger, thank you, Sharon: you know my mental age. I seem to be getting a bit of grief for my portrayal of Neville in this story (even though I warned people back at the start of chapter 1). I think I'll address this in my next set of author's notes but I will say that I don't see any character, Harry and Ginny accepted, as sacred cows when it comes to writing stories. In canon Neville was a weeny at this point so I can't see why people have a problem with me depicting him as that. As Harry is still clueless about girls at this point, I thought the ball invite as a thank you was a good way to get him to ask Ginny immediately while keeping the story believable. At least Harry knows he's clueless, and indeed, will seek a bit of help in dealing with the ball. A little teaser for next time!




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